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Accuracy from featherweight barrels #8186518 08/01/24 06:57 PM08/01/24 06:57 PM | |
Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 11,006 Asheville, NC C trapper | |
charlesOP trapper C Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 11,006 Asheville, NC | I have three rifles with thin barrels. A Rem 700 Mountain laminate, a Rem Model 7, and a Winchester Featherweight. At age 78, these are easier to carry and hunt with from elevated box stands. I wish there was something I could do to tighten up their groups. The Mountain rifle and the Featherweight are both wooden stocked. Does anyone have a solution for these thin barrels? |
Re: Accuracy from featherweight barrels[Re: charles] #8186555 08/01/24 07:28 PM08/01/24 07:28 PM | |
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 26,425 Georgia warrior trapper | |
warrior trapper Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 26,425 Georgia | I had a mountain rifle in 280. Initially it had a tendency to string vertically. A shim under the front of the action to free float the barrel fixed that. I assume it was making contact in the barrel channel. From a cold barrel it was a MOA rifle but if you fired more than three shots without letting it fully cool off the groups would open up. But considering the first shot was the only one that really mattered I just worried about making that one count. My biggest issue with that rifle is that I couldn't make it shoot, or more like I couldn't, straight off hand. From a solid seated rest it was a tack driver. On moving targets and snap shots I just couldn't connect with it. I need a little bit of weight out front to settle things down. Probably because I grew up shooting shotguns, but then again I'm a lousy wingshot lol. I got a thing for lightweight rifles but just can't shoot them well unless it's more balanced like a lever action carbine. |
Re: Accuracy from featherweight barrels[Re: charles] #8186566 08/01/24 07:36 PM08/01/24 07:36 PM | |
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Shakeyjake trapper Joined: Jun 2022 Posts: 2,202 Manitoba | I had a M70 Synthetic Shadow in 223 WSSM with a pencil thin barrel years ago. First 2 shots were usually sub MOA. Then theyd open up. All I did was float the barrel by sanding any points touching the barrel along the stock but nothing changed. Needless to say it wasnt my fun shooter, but as long as the first couple shots were on I was happy. I just didnt bring it out to try and shoot 5 shot groups anymore. Last edited by Shakeyjake; 08/01/24 07:38 PM. Wind Blew, crap flew, out came the line crew |
Re: Accuracy from featherweight barrels[Re: charles] #8186570 08/01/24 07:38 PM08/01/24 07:38 PM | |
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160user trapper 1 Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 18,779 MN | I have rifles in all 3 configurations. None of them are Prairie dog guns. All will shoot about an inch to inch and a quarter but I had to find the load each rifle liked to get that. When deer hunting I am a 1 shot gun, rarely 2 and never 3. All will work just fine with "Minute of Fawn" accuracy out to 300 yards or so. I have nothing clever to put here. |
Re: Accuracy from featherweight barrels[Re: charles] #8186581 08/01/24 07:46 PM08/01/24 07:46 PM | |
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cotton trapper Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,355 Piney va. soon be 19 | Do you reload? John 3/16 ifin your gonna be dumb ya gotta be tough |
Re: Accuracy from featherweight barrels[Re: charles] #8186601 08/01/24 08:07 PM08/01/24 08:07 PM | |
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Paul D. Heppner trapper P Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 740 Hilton, NY | Shakeyjake, I have 2 Christensen Ridgelines. A 26 inch 7 RemMag and a 20 inch 308. The 7 will reliably do 1/2 inch at 200. The 308 is just under an inch at 100, but I'm not done working with it. The 7 was a breeze with Fed LRM, IMR 4831, in Nosler brass neck turned and full length sized (bumped the shoulder back .002). Topped the whole recipe off with 150 grain Swift Scirocco .010 off the rifling. The Ridgelines with the carbon fiber barrel and TriggerTech trigger are a dream to shoot though the muzzle breaks are a little loud. well, maybe a lot loud. |
Re: Accuracy from featherweight barrels[Re: charles] #8186633 08/01/24 08:58 PM08/01/24 08:58 PM | |
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Shakeyjake trapper Joined: Jun 2022 Posts: 2,202 Manitoba | My plan was to shoot it without the break
.and in 7RM too! Really light so it must have a bit of recoil but cant be worse than my 338WM ABolt 1. Wind Blew, crap flew, out came the line crew |
Re: Accuracy from featherweight barrels[Re: Shakeyjake] #8186638 08/01/24 09:07 PM08/01/24 09:07 PM | |
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160user trapper 1 Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 18,779 MN | Originally Posted by Shakeyjake My plan was to shoot it without the break
.and in 7RM too! Really light so it must have a bit of recoil but cant be worse than my 338WM ABolt 1. Pain is just an intense form of pleasure................:) I have nothing clever to put here. |
Re: Accuracy from featherweight barrels[Re: charles] #8186664 08/01/24 09:35 PM08/01/24 09:35 PM | |
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GREENCOUNTYPETE trapper G Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 19,481 Green County Wisconsin | Originally Posted by charles I have three rifles with thin barrels. A Rem 700 Mountain laminate, a Rem Model 7, and a Winchester Featherweight. At age 78, these are easier to carry and hunt with from elevated box stands. I wish there was something I could do to tighten up their groups. The Mountain rifle and the Featherweight are both wooden stocked. Does anyone have a solution for these thin barrels? hit your target with the first round seriously lots of range trips , one cold bore shot at each one besides that , free floated barrel and glass bedded action another thought is a 5 spot target one round in each spot , save the targets shoot them in the same order each time groups with light thin barrels will open , but are your shots consistent maybe you take 2-3 shots a left middle and right target , how predictable is shot 2 and 3 Last edited by GREENCOUNTYPETE; 08/01/24 09:41 PM. America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it. |
Re: Accuracy from featherweight barrels[Re: charles] #8186677 08/01/24 09:48 PM08/01/24 09:48 PM | |
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Yes sir "Callie's little brother" Y Joined: Jan 2017 Posts: 10,648 Marion Kansas | I've bedded the actions on the last three guns I've bought and free floated the barrels one a Tikka with a pretty light barrel. Then fully bedded the barrels all shot better by a good margin with fully bedded barrels. All tested with 4 to 6 kinds of factory ammo through the testing. I'm always curious if when people say free floating the barrel is the way to go have ever tried bedding the barrel or they just Goin with the flow? Last gun has shot several quarter moa groups out to 400 yds. Free floating maybe is better for heavy barrels???? So far on last 3 tried both ways bedded barrels have been better on the target for me. Little JB weld has got me a lot of accuracy. The gun that I've got some 1/4 moa out of is a gun I bought new for $430. Last edited by Yes sir; 08/01/24 09:50 PM. |
Re: Accuracy from featherweight barrels[Re: Yes sir] #8186691 08/01/24 09:57 PM08/01/24 09:57 PM | |
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warrior trapper Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 26,425 Georgia | Originally Posted by Yes sir I've bedded the actions one the last three guns I've bought and free floated the barrels one a Tikka with a pretty light barrel. Then fully bedded the barrels all shot better by a good margin with fully bedded barrels. All tested with 4 to 6 kinds of factory ammo through the testing. I'm always curious when people say free floating the barrel is the way to go have ever tried bedding the barrel or they just Goin with the flow? Last gun has shot several quarter moa groups out to 400 yds. Free floating maybe is better for heavy barrels???? So far on last 3 tried both ways bedded barrels have been better on the target for me. Little JB weld has got me a lot of accuracy. I think it is a case of good enough and no desire to invest time and labor for a maybe better. Thin barrels are not inherently inaccurate. They can be very accurate. They just can't do long strings of fire without dispersion due to heat. I've long thought the most likely route to getting around that is full-length hard bedding. Possibly pressure point and/or heat sink material. A full aluminum chassis would be interesting for its heat sink properties. |
Re: Accuracy from featherweight barrels[Re: charles] #8186696 08/01/24 10:01 PM08/01/24 10:01 PM | |
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Crappiekiller trapper C Joined: Sep 2023 Posts: 403 MO | With my hunting style, a light weight rifle that can put the first two together is better than a heavy rifle that can put five. If Im shooting colony type varmints, then the heavies come into play. CK |
Re: Accuracy from featherweight barrels[Re: warrior] #8186705 08/01/24 10:06 PM08/01/24 10:06 PM | |
Joined: Jan 2017 Posts: 10,648 Marion Kansas Y "Callie's little brother" | |
Yes sir "Callie's little brother" Y Joined: Jan 2017 Posts: 10,648 Marion Kansas | Originally Posted by warrior Originally Posted by Yes sir I've bedded the actions one the last three guns I've bought and free floated the barrels one a Tikka with a pretty light barrel. Then fully bedded the barrels all shot better by a good margin with fully bedded barrels. All tested with 4 to 6 kinds of factory ammo through the testing. I'm always curious when people say free floating the barrel is the way to go have ever tried bedding the barrel or they just Goin with the flow? Last gun has shot several quarter moa groups out to 400 yds. Free floating maybe is better for heavy barrels???? So far on last 3 tried both ways bedded barrels have been better on the target for me. Little JB weld has got me a lot of accuracy. I think it is a case of good enough and no desire to invest time and labor for a maybe better. Thin barrels are not inherently inaccurate. They can be very accurate. They just can't do long strings of fire without dispersion due to heat. I've long thought the most likely route to getting around that is full-length hard bedding. Possibly pressure point and/or heat sink material. A full aluminum chassis would be interesting for its heat sink properties. Bedding them has made hold accuracy at least through about 10 shots. Never shot more in a string because the Tikka in 270 is getting pretty hot by then and I don't want to shorten it's life. But she's still shooting sub moa hot without any groups growing that I can see |
Re: Accuracy from featherweight barrels[Re: charles] #8186707 08/01/24 10:10 PM08/01/24 10:10 PM | |
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warrior trapper Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 26,425 Georgia | Actually heat dispersion is a consideration in machine guns, particularly light MG and SAW. Dispersion provides for more of a beaten area for enfilade fire. |
Re: Accuracy from featherweight barrels[Re: charles] #8186728 08/01/24 10:38 PM08/01/24 10:38 PM | |
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charlesOP trapper C Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 11,006 Asheville, NC | What caliber? The Mountain laminated is a 280. The 700 LVSF is 7-08, and the Win Featherweight is .243. The 7-08 has a Triggertech trigger. The others are stock. All are under 3 lb. |
Re: Accuracy from featherweight barrels[Re: charles] #8186733 08/01/24 10:43 PM08/01/24 10:43 PM | |
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Tactical.20 trapper T Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 17,875 N.W. Iowa | My .20 has an .80" muzzle, it's made groups at 100 yards where all three bullets were in one hole, outside group measurement was .250" |
Re: Accuracy from featherweight barrels[Re: charles] #8186737 08/01/24 10:45 PM08/01/24 10:45 PM | |
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jbyrd63 trapper J Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 13,605 Ky | 243 just try different ammo. 100 federal psp shot really well in my savage. Try them or Remington corelokt. If you are hunting deer either round will be good enough fir hunting scenarios |
Re: Accuracy from featherweight barrels[Re: charles] #8186738 08/01/24 10:46 PM08/01/24 10:46 PM | |
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Boone Liane trapper Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 3,501 SD | Do you reload? While I dont buy into the notion that heavy barrels are inherently more accurate, or have the potential to be more accurate than light barrels, they are definitely more forgiving to find accurate loads for. Lots more whip on the skinny tubes. Especially when you introduce a can. Every rifle Im building going forward will be a #4, maybe a #5. Not light, but not heavy either. |
Re: Accuracy from featherweight barrels[Re: charles] #8186847 08/02/24 03:19 AM08/02/24 03:19 AM | |
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Turtledale trapper Joined: Mar 2020 Posts: 7,773 W NY | I owned an Ithaca Featherlight 16 gauge shotgun when I grew up. Accurate slug gun that I shot many deer with. NYSTA, NTA, FTA, life member Erie county trappers assn.,life member Catt.county trappers |
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